Are Born Again Christians Still Sinners
I heard a sermon by Pastor Chris some time back, but i cant transcribe everything i heard but the main office i picked was when he talked about Born again christians and sin - that it is non in the nature of a born again christian to sin. Since he has put on the nature of Christ, he is not a sinner, and even if he sins, he is even so not a sinner because he is built-in again. A cec member confirmed information technology too. Actually? Is that what the discussion of God says?
If a born once more or a child of God who is liberated from the adamic nature of sin by the death and ressurection of our lord jesus,commits sin,at that point he is a sinner(1 john three:8-9,1 john 5:7,rom half dozen:1,14).i.due east sin is a verb,information technology is the act ill-behaved unto God.sinner on the other hand,is a noun,information technology is the proper name of the person who commit sin.automatically,that person becomes a sinner(ezekiel 33:13).but if volition confess and denounce such sin,he will be forgive(ezekiel 33:19).understand that he that continues in sin without an accented repentance,will terminate upward in hell burn no matter who he or she is in the house of God(john iii:3)or in the world.add me on facebook:azubuike geoffrey
babaearly:I heard a sermon by Pastor Chris some time back, but i cant transcribe everything i heard but the chief part i picked was when he talked about Born again christians and sin - that it is non in the nature of a born again christian to sin. Since he has put on the nature of Christ, he is not a sinner, and fifty-fifty if he sins, he is still not a sinner because he is built-in again. A cec member confirmed it besides. Actually? Is that what the word of God says?
The bishop of the church at Jerusalem, James, writing to Christians, called them sinners -
Depict near to God and He will draw well-nigh to you. Cleanse your easily, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you lot double-minded. (James 4:
A friend gisted me that he once heard Pastor Chris say on TV that the commencement thing he was going to ask James when he gets to heaven will be why he called Christians sinners 
(of course, rhetorically).
I no fit laff 
Seriously,
I think at that place's some bespeak in what pastor Chris said here, if what he understands past the word "sinner" is someone who's given over to sin and does not know Christ at all. james on the other mitt simply obviously understood "sinner" to hateful anyone who sins, whether unbelievers (as its their nature) or believers (though they're not supposed to).
Just my thoughts. . .
[size=13pt]I take always known that Christianity is a very bad idea gone wrong. . . .what an interesting thread!?! . A born twice Christian is non a sinner even if he or she sins . don't y'all recall yous can tell that to ane twelvemonth erstwhile child and give you a dirty slap?. Don't be deceived. . .we can't do without sin as human beingness. anyone trying to avoid sin is fugitive himself . Sinning isn't a criminal offense or any offense as it makes us feel alright and comfy . nosotros should learn to be a sinner and Sin with all boldness. . . .i hate it when religious people are pretending and nonetheless we are all in the same guter.
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petres_007:Seriously,
I recall in that location's some point in what pastor Chris said here, if what he understands past the word "sinner" is someone who'southward given over to sin and does not know Christ at all. james on the other mitt simply manifestly understood "sinner" to mean anyone who sins, whether unbelievers (as its their nature) or believers (though they're not supposed to).
Just my thoughts. . .
Thats the crux of the matter. Thats where i demand clarification.
lolxx christians are so dislocated that's all !, lolxx 
To be a sinner is a nature. To be righteous is a nature too. A born again is a man who has recieve the nature of God. He is non just a righteous man , he has go the essence of righteousness itself. If he makes a mistake commting a sin, that has not inverse his nature from righteousness . When a Christian does something wrong , he will feel bad and apologize. His fault cannot take abroad his nature of righteousnes because information technology'southward a souvenir . We didn't earn it by good works. He is not a sinner. Paul would never call a Christian a sinner. The only person that volition do that is non other but MIGHTY JAMES.
The sinners are the people who have not been born once more. A homo is not a sinner because of what he did wrong . He was born into information technology through Adam. We are born into righteousnes and non past our good human activity.
Rom 5:19
For as by one human being'south disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
God has imputed the nature of righteousness in us. He is non counting sin against us.
2Co 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the globe unto himself, non imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The sinners are the people who have not been born again. A man is non a sinner because of what he did wrong . He was built-in into it through Adam. We are built-in into righteousnes and not by our good deed.
arrogant/ignorant azz christians. u come across why alot of people are confronting the poison of religiosity due to such arrogant azz sense of self entitlement. the jews think they're the chosen one n yahweh entitled dem to sum piece of land thus they got the right to kill n destroy only to fulfill yahweh's promises n all dat bullsh.t. the islamic terrorist believes allah has entitled em to spread islam even past force northward impale all infidels in the procedure. anybody thinks their god has prepared a identify for dem in sum mansion filled, gold paved route metropolis. they say its not a physical just a spiritual place; but it all the same got textile/physical things like mansions due north aureate paved roads n 4 sum, a bunch of virgins to despoil. the christian fundamentalist here in america volition murder n bomb abortion clinics for his god.
at present, here u are claiming even if u do incorrect u're not a sinner cos u're covered by the stupid doctrines surrounding ur man-invented religion. so, if u go massacre a bunch of people or fifty-fifty if u were hitler, u got the excuse dat ur not a sinner from ur wrong becos u got automatic amnesty from ur stupid religion. u are born into righteousness n dont got to practise any good act no more; alive dat for others.
*shake my caput* Religion is surely a cancer to the earth
nice theology of rubbish. Even the grand masters, ie Paul and James become information technology confused. some other bible reference says human righteous is every bit worthless as a piece of rag, how come its however a yardstick? sin, sin. the contents change regularly, revenge-killings were not considered sins in the OT, but today, its otherwise. slavery wasn't, now information technology is. with this ever changing standards, how tin can i go on up.
Rom 10:i Brethren, my eye's desire and prayer to God for the affiche and others similar him, that they might be saved.
Rom x:two For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (Paraphrase)
Sin is a nature. Jesus died for the nature called sin. Non for smokers or thieves or people that kill, east.t.c thats y there is notin similar big or small sin
in one case yous are saved you lot no longer conduct the nature called sin. If whatever human be in christ he his a new creation.
Right there a believer cannot sin thats y the bible says >>when he falls he will rise when he ask for forgiveness
But a sinner tin non pray for forgiveness, once the nature of sin is still present.
But believers when they fall the blood of Jesus cries out on in that location behalf
(1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you lot, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: )
And he knows just those in Him then when his claret that speaks ameliorate things than that of Abel cries it does it for those in Christ.
Am sure thats its cos of pple like yous Elderberry John addressed yous equally MY LITTLE CHILDREN. nepils (babes) who no notin well-nigh the word
So delight pick your bible and Report To show your self Canonical.
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Hello Honey,
i have been asked this question before by young believers and the reason was simply that they could not fathom how a christian who commits sin is not a sinner. The bible says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 that" if any man be in Christ, heis a NEW Cosmos( 1 who never existed before)Onetime things are passed away and All things have become [/b[b]]new"
What becomes new is the Nature of the person who is in Christ and non his or her concrete attributes. Some individuals on this thread concur with me in this affair but some however endeavour to figure out Christianity through works, philosophy and ignorance of how spiritual things office because the bible says that" the things of the Spirit are foolishness to the spiritually untaught" WHY
Merely because they are Spiritually discerned".(1 Corinthians 2:fourteen)
Christianity is not something that must appeal to your senses or your small encephalon, God functions in ways that might seem mysterious to those who don't take his nature and who have not been raised and taught the discussion of God.
The summary of the affair is that[b] A CHRISTIAN IS NOT A SINNER![/b] If this argument is likewise much for you to accept then Likewise BAD for you!!
You can imagine the rubbish 1 wakes up to in the forenoon. I am scared at where this world is going, so I am a christian, then I murder your loved 1 and ooops the claret cries out for money, jeeeeez what a bunch of simpletons, you guys deserve to be milked dry!
Its like som pple's job out here is to mis quote pastor chris and criticise him, equally for your mis quoting him,i can remember jesus saying in the bible "mind how you hear" and for you lot always increasing criticism,Jesus too said "a prophet is not welcomed (recognised) in his ain hometown.". . .You lot guys r worse than the pharisees.
The difference between a servant or a stranger and a son in his father'southward firm is great,the priviledges given to the son was from nascence,nothing changes it.
yehmi01:Rom ten:1 Brethren, my center's desire and prayer to God for the poster and others like him, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:two For I deport them record that they have a zeal of God, simply not according to noesis. (Paraphrase)Sin is a nature. Jesus died for the nature called sin. Non for smokers or thieves or people that kill, e.t.c thats y there is notin like big or small-scale sin
once you are saved you no longer carry the nature called sin. If any human be in christ he his a new cosmos.Right there a believer cannot sin thats y the bible says >>when he falls he volition rise when he ask for forgiveness
But a sinner can not pray for forgiveness, once the nature of sin is withal present.
But believers when they fall the blood of Jesus cries out on there behalf(1Jo two:i My niggling children, these things write I unto you lot, that ye sin non. And if any man sin, we accept an advocate with the Begetter, Jesus Christ the righteous: )
And he knows only those in Him so when his claret that speaks better things than that of Abel cries information technology does it for those in Christ.Am sure thats its cos of pple similar you lot Elderberry John addressed you lot as MY LITTLE CHILDREN. nepils (babes) who no notin about the give-and-take
So please selection your bible and Written report To bear witness your self Approved.
Yous did not read verse 4 of 1John 2, Once one compromises Gods standard and principles that person is automatically a sinner just maybe not condemn unto death(1John v:17) and know ye therefore that the sin unto expiry are sins against the holy spirit (which leds to reprobate spirit Romans 1:27, Titus 1:16) while the sin not unto expiry are sins committed but not against the holy spirit(which can exist forgiven if the person in question ask God for forgiveness while on globe) but can atomic number 82 one into eternal death(Romans 8:13). I have this question for you, What if that your so called believer-sinner did not ask for forgiveness, what will be his fate if he eventually die?
The difficulty for people in comprehending this message is that remember that it christians can go on and do any sort of wrong, the truth is a christian has the nature of of God that is expected to produce fruits according to God's nature. An act of sin does not change that he has, but if the professed christian continues to live and carryout sinful acts it proves positive that he was never bornagain in the start place. A christian is suppose to bear God like fruit, he makes one or two mistake forth the fashion does modify the truth that he has God's nature. therefore equally christians we display the nature of God. you lot can reach for further clarification at chrisja80@yahoom.com
Some other indicate to notation is that too much time is spent on how to sin and nevertheless be a christian. I believe christians should focus on learning and understanding the nature God of that they have and how to manifest the qualities of that nature.
Sonofpeace:You lot did non read verse iv of 1John ii, Once i compromises Gods standard and principles that person is automatically a sinner but maybe not condemn unto death(1John 5:17) and know ye therefore that the sin unto death are sins against the holy spirit (which leds to retrobate spirit) while the sin not unto decease are sins committed but non against the holy spirit(which tin be forgiven if the person in question inquire God for forgiveness while on earth) only tin lead one into eternal death(Romans viii:xiii). I accept this question for you, What if that your so chosen believer-sinner did not ask for forgiveness, what will be his fate if he eventually dice?
Good question! Take a expect at this scenario, you have a father who gives you all you want and has promised to volition his unabridged holding to you lot IF you continue to exist an obedient kid. But suddenly, y'all were led astray by friends and started misbehaving, he called on you to dismember yourself from the bad group but y'all were reluctant to do so, this brought a communication gap between you and him and you never settled that with him till his decease. Even though yous have his genes in you which makes him your biological father, exercise you lot expect to take his property? NO!! Because having his holding is with a clause or a condition, IF. Or will you say a Christian who died while fighting on the street will make heaven? He will be judged by his final doing even though his beginning was skillful, how about his end? Many Christians will end upwards in the unexpected cos of a rift they never settled with God while on earth even though they might exist prophesying and speaking in unlike tongues but have forgotten that the unforgiven sin remains uncleansed. In a nutshell, a Christian who sins is still a Christian but with a stain on his white robe which will fish him out and prevent him from dining with the stainless at the occasion.
The BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall die''. ''the wages of sin is death''. Some of these pastors are but trying to reframe the word of God in other to suit their congregation, call up that God tin can't be mocked.
For God's sake, how tin a man of God say such a ridiculous argument. And so even a man in the faith caught sleeping with another human's wife is not a sinner, God! aid us in this end time.
I am tired of all these teachings that do non have any deep rooted foundation, in as much as I do non want to join issues with anybody can fellow NLanders leave these pastors and their teachings to their members who want to listen. Permit no human bring them to a public forum to disturb our sensibilities. Anybody can chose to listen to anything and call it whatever but must you force it down on the rest of us. If you listen and you are hooked with the didactics good for you don't bring it to NL keep it in your house and let it work for yous at that place considering if you bring information technology here gratuitous borns volition bear witness you incorrect. I take heard them say praying for Christ's sake is wrong and I wonder whose name we should pray is it TB, Chris, or OOO or probably Shango. Human let me hear word. Another one said we should not make the sign of the cantankerous but we tin carry their film around when they have crusade to concur. Na wa if men were God
The fact that u cook, does it make u a cook? A cook is somebody who cooks professionally. So for the fact a built-in again christian sins, does make him a sinner. Exercise not exist sin concious, rather be righteousness concious.
they are non sinners, they are only "evil doers"
oludashmi:Good question!
Take a look at this scenario, y'all have a male parent who gives you lot all you want and has promised to will his entire property to yous IF you continue to be an obedient child. But suddenly, yous were led off-target past friends and started misbehaving, he called on you to amputate yourself from the bad group but you were reluctant to practise so, this brought a communication gap between you lot and him and y'all never settled that with him till his decease.
Fifty-fifty though you have his genes in yous which makes him your biological father, practise you await to accept his property? NO!! Because having his property is with a clause or a status, IF. Or will you say a Christian who died while fighting on the street volition make heaven? He will exist judged past his last doing fifty-fifty though his beginning was expert, how about his end?
Many Christians volition terminate up in the unexpected cos of a rift they never settled with God while on earth fifty-fifty though they might be prophesying and speaking in dissimilar tongues only have forgotten that the unforgiven sin remains uncleansed.
In a nutshell, a Christian who sins is still a Christian but with a stain on his white robe which will fish him out and prevent him from dining with the stainless at the occasion.
I commend your illustration, it was really first-class only i approximate you missed the answer to your illustration. If a human's son could disobey him without whatsoever remorse or rependance the son automatically disowed himself from his father. From what i know about the creation of human everybody were created/fabricated by one person(Almighty God) but according to Romans 3:23 all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And if that is true, what is the divergence btw the prodigal son(unbeliever) and the forgiven dissipated (that disobeyed his begetter)? Mind yous both of them were of the same father.
Infact, I have also heard many believers praying in the proper name of their pastors & churches, e.g
God of CHOSEN,
God of our BISHOP, PASTOR, HOLY MARY, to the extent, they practise non pray in the name of JESUS anymore.
Hey, tin your pastor afford to die for you lot to live/ can He forgive your sins?
Ogaga4Luv:[size=13pt]I accept always known that Christianity is a very bad idea gone wrong. . . .what an interesting thread!?! . A built-in twice Christian is non a sinner even if he or she sins . don't you recollect you can tell that to 1 twelvemonth onetime child and give you a dirty slap?.
Don't be deceived. . .we can't do without sin as homo. anyone trying to avoid sin is avoiding himself . Sinning isn't a crime or any criminal offense every bit information technology makes us feel alright and comfortable . we should learn to be a sinner and Sin with all boldness. . . .i hate it when religious people are pretending and still we are all in the aforementioned guter.
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Yous obviously do non know the meaning of sin if you believe that sin is not a crime or law-breaking. If sin makes you 'feel alright and comfy' then y'all are definitely not fit to be chosen a man being anymore because it means that your censor is expressionless and buried!
Every man who is still worthy to be called a human beingness feels some level of guilt and shame whenever he sins and he knows it that he has sinned. The guilt is prompted by our conscience which seeks to admonish the states and pull united states towards doing what is right.
You may abet that people should stop being hypocritical but to tell them to sin boldly, enjoy and be comfortable with sinning is pointing them towards the path of eternal damnation!
Do be careful with your written word for all those you will lead astray with the word will be chained to you spiritually. Y'all volition not be able to ascend yourself as long as there is i still following your wrong sermon. You will exist required to correct the error you sowed in every single one of them and if you practice not succeed, then you are doomed!
So I implore you: Practise Be CAREFUL!
To the Poster:
Why are you surprised? Human beings want to hear such things considering they are besides lazy to think for themselves. If the indolent human beings, who in their laziness even pay for prayers to be said for them thereby turning their pastor into an intermediary betwixt them and their Creator; when they choose to believe the unbelievable considering it is easier for them, when they raise the pastor to be the absolute and let him to recall for them, and so they deserve zippo improve than to be led astray past smooth-talking unscrupulous men who are only later on the fabric benefits they tin become from the congregation! It is a pity that the congregation themselves cannot see through the facade put frontwards by the pastors. They have only themselves to blame for the power and ability to remember was never denied them. They, on their own, chose to bequeath the correct to think for them on their pastors!
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Acidosis:The BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall dice''. ''the wages of sin is death''. Some of these pastors are simply trying to reframe the word of God in other to arrange their congregation, remember that God can't be mocked.
For God's sake, how tin can a man of God say such a ridiculous statement. So even a human in the religion caught sleeping with another man's wife is not a sinner, God! assist the states in this end time.
Beware of the finish time which is at present, cos 99% of pastors now tell people what they desire to hear not the truth cos the people wont stay should they say the truth. That is why the bible is made available for all and so that you wont have your pastor as an alibi before God and you can inquire the Holy Spirit for interpretation if yous are confused instead of meeting people who volition chemical compound your prob. I am non surprised that Christians have a poesy to redundancy every sin they want to hide under and make themselves self-righteous. Afterall, a pastor once said few Christians will make heaven using the bible and majority will make hell using the same bible. Everyone is costless to twist it to his own satisfaction.
Good talk!
Some so-called pastors volition still tell you that a Christian caught sleeping with a lady not his wife is yet a Christian and they will even back it upward with a verse that suits their mission.
Sonofpeace:I commend your illustration, information technology was really splendid but i gauge y'all missed the respond to your illustration. If a human being'south son could disobey him without whatever remorse or rependance the son automatically disowed himself from his father. From what i know about the cosmos of human everybody were created/made past one person(Almighty God) just according to Romans 3:23 all take sinned and come up short of the glory of God. And if that is true, what is the difference btw the dissipated son(unbeliever) and the forgiven prodigal (that disobeyed his begetter)? Mind you both of them were of the same father.
Thanks. The difference btw the prodigal son (unbeliever) and the forgiven dissipated son (that in one case disobeyed his begetter), is that one felt remorseful and guilty then returned to the father while the other never felt he did anything wrong or may even know he is doing something wrong just thinks, oh! daddy understands I cant help but continue being a bad child to him. Not knowing that daddy volition never understand annihilation for him but daddy volition strictly take him for what he can see him doing. For if a child was able to stop his bad character, nothing stops the second from taking the same determination
BIBLE says, ''the soul that sinneth shall die''. ''the wages of sin is death''.
Don't be deceived. If U like Built-in go attain grave, if u sin earlier you die. u know the residuum.
These Pastors rephrases our BIBLE so as to favour their congregations. Don't forget that they (pastors) need the tithes, special, dedicated and etc offerings from their members, so they have to justify it by appealing to their sub-consciousness., utilise rhetorical speeches and all antics to win their congregations.
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